tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post115792567637861347..comments2024-01-11T10:58:30.769-05:00Comments on Jesus community: embracing grace 1: performing the gospelTed M. Gossardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1159003845785799572006-09-23T05:30:00.000-04:002006-09-23T05:30:00.000-04:00Desert Pilgrim,I agree. Liturgy, and participating...Desert Pilgrim,<BR/><BR/>I agree. Liturgy, and participating in it, says that there is something bigger than us all. It is a proclamation and performing of THAT. With all of its ties in the past, present and future- in Jesus. <BR/><BR/>Thanks. I always appreciate your perspective. It adds alot.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158991325979103242006-09-23T02:02:00.000-04:002006-09-23T02:02:00.000-04:00Ted,Quoting from your post:"A local church always ...Ted,<BR/>Quoting from your post:<BR/><BR/>"A local church always performs the gospel it proclaims....because its performance is its proclamation."<BR/><BR/>To me, I hear "Liturgy" loud and clear in this statement. That is one of the things that drew me to liturgical worship, the actual "doing" of the Gospel. To be in the midst of a corporate expression of the Creed, and the Lord's Prayer, and all the other things, such as partaking of Holy Communion, and even corporately hearing the spoken Word of God all being proclaimed and listened to in perfect unison is a powerful experience, and also a powerful witness of our faith and our connection with the early church.<BR/>Blessings,<BR/>Desert Pilgrim~Desert Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13309417059735511997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158714894475798672006-09-19T21:14:00.000-04:002006-09-19T21:14:00.000-04:00Bob,Thanks! Yes, this gospel involves our whole se...Bob,<BR/>Thanks! <BR/><BR/>Yes, this gospel involves our whole selves together to the whole world- in this embracing grace.<BR/><BR/>I barely can articulate it. Much less live it out/perform it. Though isn't that great when we sense God's grace present in this way! Even in our weakness, quite often. (I should probably say, especially in our weakness)Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158713151729204842006-09-19T20:45:00.000-04:002006-09-19T20:45:00.000-04:00Great stuff, Ted!! I think that probably, for some...Great stuff, Ted!! <BR/><BR/>I think that probably, for some Christians, the word "Perform" would have negative conotations. They might have come out of a Christian experience that says that you are a Christian by what you do or how you perform in your religious duties. So what they have done is swing the pendulum away from that...which is probably fine for a time, as you heal from that kind of legalism or religiosity. But there must come a time where the pendulum moves back to the center and you realize that the gospel is not just affirming the right beliefs and saying that "salvation is not by works," and therefore "works" matters little. True faith performs what God intends. We've got to move beyond the 20th Century division between the "social gospel" and the "salvation gospel." The gospel is both/and not either/or on this...the good news that God saves people by faith so that they can perform the gospel of peace and justice in the world!Bob Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08576734261775426385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158713043982265492006-09-19T20:44:00.000-04:002006-09-19T20:44:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Bob Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08576734261775426385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158196853579623562006-09-13T21:20:00.000-04:002006-09-13T21:20:00.000-04:00Great point L.L. Thanks!Great point L.L. Thanks!Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158167804489550782006-09-13T13:16:00.000-04:002006-09-13T13:16:00.000-04:00Perform has some negative connotations, yes... ......<I>Perform</I> has some negative connotations, yes... <BR/><BR/>...but to the extent that we understand the intense preparation and vulnerability associated with performance (which seems invisible when the performance "sails"), I think we can apply it here...<BR/><BR/>... being "the church," being one who loves, is an intense and vulnerable undertaking...L.L. Barkathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13333960142447144678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158118728349442062006-09-12T23:38:00.000-04:002006-09-12T23:38:00.000-04:00....or was it Sunday night when I posted this? Oh .......or was it Sunday night when I posted this? Oh well....Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158116666867814682006-09-12T23:04:00.000-04:002006-09-12T23:04:00.000-04:00I removed my post which I repeated. Somehow the co...I removed my post which I repeated. Somehow the computer at work doesn't do what I think I'm programming it to do.<BR/><BR/>And I posted this on Monday, actually. Blogger keeps the first save of a draft as post time. I meant to paste it, etc. Oh well....<BR/><BR/>Back to the point here. Perform has taken on for me a good connotation as of late, through reading Scot and others. It is sort of like us living in accordance with who we are in the Lord. <BR/><BR/>More to the point of Scot's chapter, it is practicing what we preach, or profess. And perform has a nice ring to it for me, since God has given us the text, which we are to perform according to who we are- created in Christ Jesus, and how we're moved, by God and in the community of the faith and to the world,....how we're moved by and in that, to do it. Something like that.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158077337013496552006-09-12T12:08:00.000-04:002006-09-12T12:08:00.000-04:00Jazz theo,Yes. There's a script which you perform ...Jazz theo,<BR/><BR/>Yes. There's a script which you perform in your own God-given way constitutionally, or more like the moment, in jazz. As you are moved. Like the Spirit and the Word. <BR/><BR/>So "perform" is right on with you.<BR/><BR/>And Kevin Vanhoozer's book on The Drama of Doctrine... is also helpful to see the legitimacy and aptness of "perform" to the Theodrama God has given us to participate in.<BR/><BR/>Thanks!Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158077264816645212006-09-12T12:07:00.000-04:002006-09-12T12:07:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-1158027968468115592006-09-11T22:26:00.000-04:002006-09-11T22:26:00.000-04:00being the JAZZ theologian, of course I love the wo...being the JAZZ theologian, of course I love the word perform!jazztheohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17435183920212034277noreply@blogger.com