tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post8975892759198909157..comments2024-01-11T10:58:30.769-05:00Comments on Jesus community: holiness is communalTed M. Gossardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-31825243296560577492007-01-18T18:45:00.000-05:002007-01-18T18:45:00.000-05:00Linea, Thanks for your kind thoughts. In that comp...Linea, Thanks for your kind thoughts. In that company at Jesus Creed, I often feel like I'm over my head. But when people like you join in over here, as well as bloggers on my links, I realize I am truly blessed to be in fellowship with such sisters and brothers.<br /><br />And great thoughts about communal holiness. So right. Nothing at all replaces that- what you so well describe.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-28606504843152143752007-01-18T14:00:00.000-05:002007-01-18T14:00:00.000-05:00Tom, I explored your blog because I enjoy your lev...Tom, I explored your blog because I enjoy your level headed comments over at Jesus Creed. Maybe level headed simply means that I agree with you but thanks for your comments there. <br /><br />Just considering holiness as something we move towards within the context of community, reminds me that we would be unlikely to even be introduced to our faith without the action of the community that is the church. The community teaches us, surrounds us with examples and opportunities to “work” out our faith, it surrounds us with saints from the past and saints living. If the community is functioning as it should, it should move us towards deeper knowledge of Christ and towards obedient lifestyles. That is the kind of holiness I hope we see – not some personal and highly private hidden off in a hermitage kind of holiness. Not that a hermit is not a holy thing for one called to that, just in reality most of us are called to be holy in our ordinary lives.Lineahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10502534775067103531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-23026905834143753692007-01-17T18:14:00.000-05:002007-01-17T18:14:00.000-05:00Charity, Great point. In one way or another, in Sc...Charity, Great point. In one way or another, in Scripture, you always end up in human community. And can't escape that. So that our love for God can become evident there, in our love relationship with people. And thankfully God calls us and helps us grow in this.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-45208453338138171962007-01-17T18:08:00.000-05:002007-01-17T18:08:00.000-05:00Allan, I've seen the same thing, and I really don'...Allan, I've seen the same thing, and I really don't find any emphasis that doesn't put on a strong emphasis on community, helpful for Christian formation. Thanks!Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-53677485609331122102007-01-17T15:25:00.000-05:002007-01-17T15:25:00.000-05:00Ted:
Good post.
One of things that concerns me i...Ted:<br /><br />Good post.<br /><br />One of things that concerns me in the spiritual formation curriculum in so many seminaries is that it is highly individualistic, as if the only thing or at lteast the most important thing in being formed spiritually is contemplating our "spiritual navels."<br /><br />Obviously, there is a place for the personal, but the community is indispensable when it ocmes to sanctification.Allan R. Beverehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07903011101108437513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-75032081985774925722007-01-17T12:23:00.000-05:002007-01-17T12:23:00.000-05:00Also, Jamie. I see that as so very important and h...Also, Jamie. I see that as so very important and helpful for us to better understand community. I was thinking of it in terms, I thought were more used, concerning it, in Scripture.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-56732664176292593312007-01-17T12:22:00.000-05:002007-01-17T12:22:00.000-05:00L.L., My laugh at the end of the comment was in re...L.L., My laugh at the end of the comment was in regard to my wordiness and theological wordiness. I sometimes probably get carried away in that, though in this virtual reality, it is easier for me to catch myself and not do that.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-25849465622909667222007-01-17T12:21:00.000-05:002007-01-17T12:21:00.000-05:00Mark, In my own experience I'd say virtual communi...Mark, In my own experience I'd say virtual community has undoubtedly helped. Through many blogs, including your own, during the short time I've read it.<br /><br />But surely it helps only as we move with that blessing from it, into the everyday worlds in which we live. It impacts me informationally, but even more so in formation. As we share together about the life we have together in God through Christ.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-21467959388625201022007-01-17T12:18:00.000-05:002007-01-17T12:18:00.000-05:00Jamie, Agreed. That is at the heart of it. Thanks ...Jamie, Agreed. That is at the heart of it. Thanks for bringing that in!Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-58297018531950923672007-01-17T12:17:00.000-05:002007-01-17T12:17:00.000-05:00L.L., Great point. Our insight into who we are in ...L.L., Great point. Our insight into who we are in that we are communal beings, as well as our failure to live accordingly due to the separation that comes from the fall, this is made evident to us in community. We understand then, just how much we need God's grace which is a restorative, communal grace. To reveal us in our rough edges and selves, and to transform us in that context. And really the entire goal of God's moving is communal in nature. Haha. Thanks.Ted M. Gossardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580691315315271791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-35187534732643689992007-01-17T09:35:00.000-05:002007-01-17T09:35:00.000-05:00The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Th...The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. This is true in business as much as in the church. (I suppose you could say that business, like all human organizations, is just another approximation of God's church.)<br /><br />I know I long for community. That's why I've become so interested in blogging. Other than my family, I don't have a community in my town that I trust enough to be vulnerable. (We haven't lived here long.)<br /><br />So Ted, can virtual community lead to holiness too? If so, I wonder what unique challenges such a community could face.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-78834319992616558082007-01-17T08:57:00.000-05:002007-01-17T08:57:00.000-05:00I think that true missional community reflects hol...I think that true missional community reflects holiness in that it reflects being created in the Trinitarian image of God. God is perfect, He is Holy, which we know means more than moral perfection. I believe His perfect Oneness in His Trinitarian nature is a central expression of that holiness. In the same way, as reflect the oneness of the One in whom are resurrected together, we reflect His holiness. Does that make sense?<br /><br />Peace,<br />JamieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20184070.post-3320826663519656832007-01-17T07:46:00.000-05:002007-01-17T07:46:00.000-05:00I think that without community I might often convi...I think that without community I might often convince myself I am holy; with it, I have no doubts that I absolutely need God's continuing grace and leading towards love.L.L. Barkathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13333960142447144678noreply@blogger.com